Perspectives with Kemi Marie

Sacred Astrocartography: Navigating Leylines, Ancestral Land Connections & Earth Energy

• Kemi Marie • Season 1 • Episode 3

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Can understanding the Earth's energetic highways change your life? Join us as we explore the profound insights offered by Saki Savavi on astrocartography, ley lines, and land stewardship. Saki guides us through the intricate process of overlaying natal charts on world maps, revealing how geographical locations can illuminate personal growth. We discuss the importance of approaching astrocartography with respect and awareness, recognizing the socio-political context and existing land agreements of various places. This episode offers a unique blend of esoteric knowledge and practical advice, encouraging you to travel with a deep sense of consideration and respect for the land and its inhabitants.

We discuss how building intimate relationships with the Earth can be as grounding as personal relationships with people, with astrology providing further insights into our elemental connections. Personal anecdotes underscore the significance of interacting with nature authentically, illustrating how elements like earth and water communicate profound messages to those who listen.

This episode promises a rich exploration of esoteric cartography, land stewardship, and ancestral connections that will leave you thoughtful and inspired. 

Meet my guest: Saki Savavi: 

Saki Savavi is an Interdisciplinary Artist, Healing Arts Practitioner, and Ancestral Archivist from Philadelphia PA. Her work is grounded by her commitment to re-earthing Black American Worldview and re-membering the Right Relationship with the Elemental Kingdoms. As a Leyline Practitioner Saki finds joy in connecting people with their Medicine Path and their innate role as Stewards of their Legacy and the Earth. When she isn't doing that, Saki enjoys solo camping the Sonoran Desert, Cartography, and catching the sunset.

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Kemi Marie:

We're here for part two of our awesome Perspectives podcast with Saki Zabavi. Our first podcast was, honestly, our first episode that we recorded together was very different, talking about non-binary identity and gender, but Saki does literally so much, so many amazing things that this week we are touching on travel, astro cartography and land stewardship. So welcome again, Saki. I'm so excited for you to be here again. Not a lot of people do the work that you do in these spaces that we're in. You have a pretty unique view of life in general, but more in terms of the work that you do, you have a very unique way of practicing land stewardship and you're just so involved in the practical realms. I would love to hear more about your experience in so many different places. You can decide where you want to start, but in astrocartography, as a ley line practitioner travel let's get into it.

Saki Savavi:

Okay, thank you for that very beautiful introduction. There are two ways I want to approach this. There's the astro cartography piece exist in, and I think I've been doing astrocartography for about five, going on six years now, and it's become so popular in the last two years and it's kind of which I love. But it makes me wince a little bit and that wince comes from just this not wanting astrocartography to be used as, like this new age colonialism tool where people are now like, oh, I have a Venus line going through.

Saki Savavi:

Hawaii and that's where I need to be, when the people of Hawaii, the elementals, the land spirits there, they don't really want people there that are not from there or that do not have agreements with that land and like the freedom that they are returning to and remembering. And so my approach to astrocartography is rooted by the reality that we need to be traveling with deep consideration of what the land is up to, and that, of course, leans into being aware of what's happening from a socio-political level. Right, like understanding what the climate is right, what's the tips that's happening, what are the challenges that are happening. You know, and obviously that may be like a little bit too much for somebody, I just want to go to Tulane today. This is where we have agreements of joy, you know, and obviously that may be like a little bit too much for somebody.

Speaker 2:

I just want to go to Toulouse and dance in the water.

Saki Savavi:

This is where we have agreements of joy. You know, not to make things so like I need to be traveling as an activist. You know you can have a place with a contract with Belize and you're like, belize just wants me here to expand upon this feeling of adventure and freedom and liberation by being that and bringing that, and so I utilize both ley line partitioning and astro cartography to blend these things. So that's like my little intro and then I'm just like separating the two a little bit.

Saki Savavi:

Astro cartography was created by this American astrologer named Jim Lewis in the 70s. It's like white dude dude who took the time to plot this and then, over decades now, folks have been adding onto it, exploring it, taking his idea and really seeing okay, this is a thing, and then loosely and so basically just to add to there. Actually, astrocartography is just simply put, the process of taking your natal chart, the four cusping houses the ascendant, the descendant, the umcoeli, the icy, the medium coeli, the MC, midheaven and then plotting those cusping houses over a map of the earth and then just seeing which geographical locations ignite certain seasons within yourself as you travel right Simple enough.

Saki Savavi:

Ley lines are these? There's a lot of difference of opinions on the origin of ley lines, but Google will tell you that ley lines are just these imaginary lines that have been drawn by esoteric cartographers between different historical sites. And that's cool and that's cute. And you can do even more research and you can figure out that militaries create bases at these intersecting ley lines.

Saki Savavi:

Yeah, that's a thing, having these military bases be erected on different, intersecting ley lines. So it is a tool that navigators use, that cartographers have used. So it is a thing in that sense and when I say in that sense I'm pointing mainly to Western European cartography mapping. You know it is sound within the Western hemisphere mind of what's legitimate when we think about science and this is a well-respected scientific theory. But my relationship to ley lines is a little bit deeper than that, or a little older than that, I would say.

Saki Savavi:

So I like to reference Australia and or rather, like the Aboriginals in Australia and how they utilize what they call song lines and these, you know, australia is fucking huge, first of all, and so the Aboriginals utilize song lines as a way of converging and telling stories through like oral tradition. They also have some pretty cool traditions as far as like day walking and using like dream, dream time slash, like astral bodies to open up little windows to travel to different parts of Australia. So, on these songlines, it's how they have shared and preserved their culture from just over the ages, right. And so my relationship with ley lines is rooted in the fact okay, and don't worry, we're going left brain, right brain this, but it's rooted in the fact that the earth has energetic highways. That shares information all across and within the earth. Right Now, the fact right.

Saki Savavi:

I like to like the other side of that is that when we think about how do we erect a nation let's take the United States of America, for example how do you come to a place and create an entirely different container, an entirely different system on top of land that already has structure, memory, worldview, language and customs? And in our modern day I feel like we can see that happening just by go to any city in America major city. That's just a little bit of leeway and you will find repeating street signs you will find a lombard street, an arch street.

Saki Savavi:

You will find a vine street, columbus and then the energy in all of these streets are largely similar, no matter what city you go to Arch, race, vine, lombard they're going to be like your downtown Malcolm X. They're going to be Martin Luther King. They're going to be like your hood a little bit so are you trying to say that the government is?

Kemi Marie:

conspiring or are you trying to say that this is a spirit? Is the government conspiring because they know about this, like they're putting streets in specific places? Is that what you're trying to say?

Saki Savavi:

I'm saying that that's what. Okay, yes, but I want to take off the conspiracy energy of it and I would have put on it the masonic which I know. For some people that's just like conspiracy energy. But when you think about what a Mason is right, like just by definition, they're like erecting nations, right. They're like builders, right. So of course there is a math, science, rhyme and reason to that, right Of course. So one of my, exactly, and it's just like, of course it's intentional. How do you erect the building without a blueprint or like floor plans? You know what I mean and that's how I look at it. And my introduction to this was when I was living in Baltimore. I lived at a really interesting grid line, right. So I lived around the corner from this division, from uh Bolton Hill is the name of, like a stushy area. It's, it's so beautiful Like Baltimore. What are they called? Uh, brown Maybe, sorry, I get so excited.

Saki Savavi:

I get so excited and I just start talking.

Kemi Marie:

Yeah, I know my brain does the same.

Saki Savavi:

So the Baltimore brownstones are absolutely gorgeous. In Bolton Hill this is a few blocks away from Druid Hill Park. The roads are very spacious, there's a lot of trees. This is when we get into urban planning. And this is when we get into urban planning and this is when we get into, like, even redlining and segregation and how that was, you know, carried forward even in the North right, the free union North. But how they did it was by zip codes and redlining, and I think Baltimore is a really good example of those containers. And just follow me here, guys, we're going to wrap around.

Saki Savavi:

So Bolton Hill is this really beautiful neighborhood, beautiful magnolia trees, really spacious, old school Victorian homes.

Saki Savavi:

And then you have this Utah street or avenue, I forget which one, and it just runs really long, and it's this median park that runs really long so you can cross the street, walk your dog there. There's like rings of roses trees, it's just so beautiful. Then, on the other side of that, you have where I was living at, which is like Madison Park, madison and Lafayette, and it's just like the hood. Like Madison Park, madison and Lafayette, and it's just like the hood. This is like old corner stores that used to be black owned but, like now, abandoned. There's these like little tiny patches of like parks that you know hang out in, you know, and so my guides in the morning they would have me like walk from the Madison Park side to the Bolton Hill side and just notice what I noticed. And some of the things I noticed was that my energy responded to those places totally differently, like when I'm on the side that I lived on, child 2127, oh my God, I would be like popping my shoulder seven.

Speaker 2:

Oh my god, I was I would be like popping my shoulder.

Saki Savavi:

It's very much like that, which, by the way, is not my actual energy. It's energy that I had to adopt to survive in those areas, right, and then I would walk over to the Bolton Hills. Are you strolling like I? Like I like you know that? Uh, that Jay Versace meme, where he's just like walking, you know, and I was. I was just like, wow, it's so beautiful, look at the architecture.

Saki Savavi:

And then I noticed that there's something, that something else I started to notice was the mental pollution, right, the feeling walking into other people's thoughts, the feeling of walking into other people's emotions. For those of you that are like I don't know if I've ever experienced that, bro, think about when you've ever crossed a bridge and if you're one of those people that's like I'm not going to use it. When you're on a bridge, those thoughts aren't really yours. You may not be feeling that way, you may not be feeling like a yeet, but there's been so many thoughts that have collected on that bridge. That is just a common, almost like energetic neuropathway that us energize, energetic neuropathway that us energize.

Speaker 2:

In my head it's like.

Kemi Marie:

This is like trickster energy that's just coming around here.

Speaker 2:

I wonder who's going to do it.

Kemi Marie:

Why would you do that? Why would you do that?

Saki Savavi:

No, bro, for sure. And so that same bridge the one that I'm referencing is this one in Baltimore and then you can walk under it and if you walk under it there's like this tag that says the seat of ball, so like some European energy. And so it's definitely like hella, like trickster energy, for sure you know, hella like trickster energy, for sure you know. And so my guides would just have me walk around in the morning. I'd be like Qigong in a park or whatever cool, and I would just start to break up that mental pollution and kind of like manually cross-pollinate different thoughts. So that was my personal introduction to ley lines and grid work and how grid work has been used to control these ley lines in order to erect containers that organize people, in order to correct these containers that kind of keep people. Like I live on the madison side, I'm never going to that little median park right there on Utah, I'm never walking over to Bolton Hill and it's like self-policing, right.

Saki Savavi:

And one last thing I'll say for this anecdote is that on that Bolton Hill side there's actually a Black Prince Hall, masonic Temple, right, and it's like at this crossroads and then in the middle is like this Confederateederate statue, fountain thing, not an altar directly across, yeah, exactly. And then directly across from that, opposite of this masonic prince hall whatever is this funeral home called brothers? Right, it's actually. It's a black owned funeral home too, so this isn't about race, right? And prince hall is like black mason hall, right, and it's a Black-owned funeral home too. So this isn't about race, right. And Prince Hall is like Black Mason Hall, right? So it's not about race. A very interesting way of erecting things. So this was my introduction to ley line work, and then the difference of grid work and just wow, so this is how our united states of america was erected on top of this land. Right for the agreements with the street names. These were the agreements with like redlining and the zip codes and all of that very fascinating stuff.

Saki Savavi:

You guys, I am definitely a geek.

Kemi Marie:

No, I love it Because I, first of all, I didn't. Before I met you, I did not know that, I didn't know what a ley line practitioner was or even what ley lines were. I did not know that. But I always walked with the understanding that certain cities, certain zip codes, certain streets, certain places, all places have an energy, and that's something that I've been saying for years and years. I've lived in so many different places and I'm like bro, I'm telling you not just the streets, but the earth, that's there, what you're touching on your feet, the way that I just want to say. Living in Arizona, on this tough grid system, was very different for me than living next to the ocean in Los Angeles. All places have different energies depending on what's around. But hearing you speak more to it and be like hey, there's a name for this, you know, like this, gets deep.

Kemi Marie:

I love it, it's just so intuitive it's like okay, I was intuitively feeling that here we go, so geek out no for sure.

Saki Savavi:

and that bridges me to the earth steward, the earth stewardship part of it, where it's like, yeah, I like my agreements with the earth are as a ley line practitioner. So a lot of the spiritual practices that I do a lot of the earth are as a ley line practitioner. So a lot of the spiritual practices that I do, a lot of the earth alters that I make is very deeply woven to my medicine for this lifetime. Right, but we're all earth stewards. It's just the P in my PEMDAS, it's just like the parentheses in my order of operations.

Kemi Marie:

What does land stewardship mean to you? What does that look like for you?

Saki Savavi:

Land stewardship to me is the devotion to learning a land. Across many seasons I think it has looked like as Black Americans, it's looked like sharecropping, it's looked like farming. It's looked like, you know, just opening up community centers, you know communing on the land. I've been sitting with my relationship to cotton for the past couple years and sitting with it because you know yeah and tobacco right, and you know cash crops who were who you know at first glance. Maybe, depending on where you are, you might have trauma or like aversion. I have a really beautiful, like preserved cotton plant in my home and I was sitting with it because my campsite is like near a cotton field. I stopped one day and I just took it because it would make me feel a little uncomfortable and it invited me to sit with that discomfort because the discomfort that I as a Black American have towards cash crops from slavery is not my discomfort to hold. We were both abused and wounded alongside each other. So part of the healing of that wound for me has been deepening my relationship with cotton and adding it into little tinctures and little ceremonies that I do, but to just kind of wrap back around.

Saki Savavi:

Yeah, earth stewardship to me is just a devotion to learning a land, their elementals, their story, their names. Outside of these grid work containers, no one-on-one personally. The same way you would get to know a friend or a lover or a family member over time is through hearing stories. It's through sharing meals and offerings. It's through laughing. I'll be out at my solo campsite and I'll put on my favorite old school jammy jams and I'll fire dance with Suaro sticks and I'll be like you walk in communion with the earth, with the elements, and that they are your friends, they are yours.

Kemi Marie:

Yeah, I feel that obviously I love nature. I'd be in if I could live in the forest. It would just be me and the trees, me, and the trees, me and the river. I understand that so deeply because you really do you out there just like yeah, and it's not with this.

Saki Savavi:

You know, some of these like spiritual practices or like some of these words, right, people are like I need to be dressed this way, I need to have this kind of anointing, and I think it can be that, but I think it's also in just our authenticity and our organic energy. You know, I love to do stand-up comedy for the like earth spirits and elemental.

Kemi Marie:

Do you think there are certain elements people feel more connected to when out and about yeah with someone?

Saki Savavi:

absolutely, and I invite all of us to let that change depending on where we're at in our lives. I invite us all to let that change, depending on what season we're in Most definitely.

Kemi Marie:

And also, for me personally, the forest. It's so funny. Earth and water. The two things that I don't really have too much of in my birth chart are things that I need to be in physically to receive that grounding. I need to be by the water, I need to be in the water, I need to be in the forest, connecting with the earth, and I just think it's yes, I have one water placement in pretty significant water over my fourth, eighth, twelfth, but, like, even if we were thinking in terms of astrology, it would make a lot of sense for me to be by the water, to be by the ocean, to be at a river.

Kemi Marie:

When I want to introspect, I have cancer for a thousand. You know scorpio, thousand. When I want to introspect, I have cancer for a thousand. You know scleropathy, a thousand. When you can start putting some pieces together that can show people that there might be certain elements that you're already comfortable with, because that's an energy that you're already embodying, and there might be others that we're about to get into astro-cardiography, we could use our chart to better understand the different elements and what they can provide us and where. And, like you said, allowing it to evolve is important because even in our birth chart. Even in our birth chart we have all of the elements, just in a specific place and outside of the birth chart, like we're still experiencing all elements on a day-to-day. So it'll flow, it'll grow, it'll change, you know.

Saki Savavi:

Yeah and for me, right like I'm like a fixed sun, fixed moon, torus sun, aquarius moon, capricorn rising, but the majority of my first house is aquarius right, so pretty much triple fixed. So I love mutable fire. So for me fire does the grounding that it does for people who don't have, who need more water, like for me. When I'm fire, when I'm making earth alters, I get to get out of my fixed nature and be like and these elements.

Kemi Marie:

They speak. One thing that I've noticed in my practice connecting with the earth is that elements speak. Okay, people might. I was literally just talking to somebody about this earlier. I did my first experience listening to the the ocean spirits, wild time, Whole other conversation. But you know how in elementary school they used to make fun of the people who would talk to pencils and shit. I don't know if that was a thing for you, but at school they'd be like why are you talking to the dirt? The dirt doesn't have feelings. It's like listen the trees be talking. Okay, the Lorax was on to something the ocean spirits be talking okay, the lorax was on something.

Saki Savavi:

The ocean spirits be talking. Yeah, you can hear things, bro, um listen. My first time in arizona I was staying on 160 acres of land, um, for a few months. Very intricate story, but I want to stick to this one point. I spent 11 days with this old ass oak tree and this old ass oak tree told me to align my spine with the bark and to put my feet on its roots and meditate. I did zero drugs, I was not high at all and my consciousness kind of fused fuse with the tree towers of the earth and help communicate what's happening on earth. Which is why? Because I love the left and a right brain. Which is why, in order to erect cell phone towers, they have to trees, because trees erupt the cell phone.

Kemi Marie:

So what I'm hearing is that cell phones interrupt the trees. It would be reversed as well. Cell phone towers yeah, if you got to cut down a tree, then you're interrupting the flow. Me getting all defensive because I like trees Dial it, what's up with the trees?

Saki Savavi:

And even, like bro, if you're having a shitty time sleeping, turn your wi-fi box off. Put your phone on airplane mode first, then turn it off, take it out your room. Sleep like a baby heavy on that.

Kemi Marie:

Super interesting because my therapist is an ecotherapist. I started with cognitive behavioral therapy, you know, typical, some other things, but one thing they also allow for is eco-therapy. So now when I see them, we choose a place and we walk around outside and I'm usually connecting with the trees and the first thing she's like we just walk and she's like okay. And the first thing she's like we just walk and she's like okay, which tree calls to you? And then, yeah, then she has me. You know, go up to the tree. You know, meditate with the tree, be with the tree. What is it about this tree? And sometimes the tree will be full of life that I choose, and other times, pretty sure, the last time it was like a tree that was like knocked over but it was still being supported by two other trees who had fallen and it was just.

Kemi Marie:

They provide a lot of insight, whether it's the trees and whether it's your analysis, whether you're in meditation or whether you just literally hear things like with the trees. It's like my personal experience with the trees. I'm not one to hear things specifically. It's more like a feeling and understanding with water. When I am swimming in the ocean, I am literally hearing the spirit to the water and I'm like I don't want to talk about the spirits of the water right now because me and them have some more talking to do.

Kemi Marie:

Sometimes it's silent, sometimes it's not, but it's. I think when people listen to this they're going to be like asking how do they, how do you hear this stuff, like, how do they talk? And that's why I'm like, okay, when I'm in the water literally could hear a spirit that was like maybe you should just go down to the ocean. No, maybe I shouldn't go down to the bottom. Actually, fuck you anyway but a little cooling energy like midnight, come back.

Kemi Marie:

Okay the answer. I need to find a way to discuss this one day. But when it comes to the ocean and water, like some people have a really great relationship with the water, where the water not trying to drown you, and then there's other people whose ancestral spirits in the water want them to come home, and that's I happen to be in that boat. I happen to be in that boat, and not all the time. There's times when I can just be underwater and it's so peaceful and it's so quiet, like I love swimming. But there's also my very first experience swimming in the depths of the water. Was this talking to this angelic voice that was like if you just just swim to the bottom, you'll come back up, you'll be fine. Bitch, who was swimming to the bottom of the ocean?

Speaker 2:

the thing is, the guy is I believed Bitch who is swimming to the bottom of the ocean. The thing is the guy is. I believed it.

Kemi Marie:

I really tried to go to the bottom and then halfway through I said, huh, you know what I mean. There are some spirits that will call you, try to call you home.

Saki Savavi:

And I asked you do you feel? Have you been to the Atlantic Ocean?

Kemi Marie:

I don't think I've swam in it. I've swum in a lot of oceans, though, so I could be lying okay.

Saki Savavi:

So my question was, slash, is which ocean do you feel that strongest pool ancestrally? Is it pacific?

Kemi Marie:

I, right now, I feel like all I've really been in is the Pacific Ocean. I don't think I've, I don't think I've swam in the Atlantic Ocean, but I just feel like after this, I'm going to like end up looking and be like how am I yeah? Where's your family from? My mother's side is very far away from Nigeria. My father's side I actually really want to get into that ancestral side because he's from Louisiana and I feel like they probably have a stronger connection.

Saki Savavi:

If I'm being honest, if I'm being honest, sorry, mom, I was asking those questions because, like for me, so my family's from um North Carolina, south Carolina, and whenever I'm near the Atlantic Ocean, that's where I get that well, it really might be that paternal, ancestral side and this connection with water, because my dad and his stories of water and people drowning and there's something there.

Kemi Marie:

We're going to explore that after this call. I'm going to figure that out because it just yeah, ancestral veneration via genome. Yeah, and I've always been really interested in my mom's side, but I know the paternal side has so much.

Saki Savavi:

I've always been really interested in my mom's side, but I know the paternal side has so much that Gulf of Mexico, like when we get into the astrocartography, I'll show it to you. But how I see it, it's like the womb of the Americas and so much energy from like Africa comes into this basin, this womb, and it's so chaotic. Every time I go to New Orleans it is like walking. It's like time doesn't exist. Boundaries between time doesn't exist. It's nonlinear, very encompassing. I don't think I could ever live in Louisiana because of it, but I love visiting Louisiana. It's very beautiful.

Kemi Marie:

I'm going to, I'm going to visit and I'm really excited to visit and I and right when this water thing came up and we started talking about this. It's just interesting that you mentioned womb, because that's literally where I feel this energy right now, just in my womb. Also random, you talking about um, the energy of new orleans reminded me of buddy bolden. I've been reading this, this book right now. I think I might have told you about it. It's how to go mad without losing your mind. And they look into different, like creative artists, musicians, all of that from present day, all the way back, and one of them is Buddy Bolden, who was considered this king of Black New Orleans jazz, but he's not documented very well like other musicians are. So his story. I'm going to send you a little bit about him, because the way that you described New Orleans and the energy is very much so how they described him, this enigma, and there's no time when he plays, and it's just.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I, just I'm feeling watch me dude.

Kemi Marie:

I just feel like maybe this is a sign, Maybe I need to go to Louisiana a lot sooner.

Saki Savavi:

Okay, yeah, have you been? I haven't.

Kemi Marie:

I'm going to be in Atlanta right there.

Saki Savavi:

It's like maybe a five-hour drive, prioritized going, and when you go, a lot of people talk about Bourbon Street. Go to Frenchman and then go to the Blue Nile Jazz House. I went there with my dad, bro, and the music they play in jazz, I think, is also. I would give this might be some synthesase, synthesasia, but if I was to give jazz an element, oh, my God, I was literally just about to say this.

Kemi Marie:

I was like you're not about to do what I think you're about to do.

Saki Savavi:

And then it literally popped in my head.

Kemi Marie:

So something's going on here, something's going on here yeah dude, I'm telling you, bro, yes and this water literally coming through. There's just so many connections we could make literally coming through, blowing out air for a lot of the instruments.

Saki Savavi:

This is I need to go and then even hopping over to the left brain, right like the mississippi river originates in that area, in that gulf of mexico area, and then it winds all the way up. It feeds so many rivers, the ohio river, it feeds so many rivers of the country, so it feeds so many rivers of the country. So going to New Orleans, or just Louisiana in general, is like going to the heart of the country, the heart of this land, the heart of the ley lines. And also, when you go to New Orleans you have to go to Congo Square, you have to go to Congo Square and give some offerings to the eagle, oh wow.

Kemi Marie:

Oh Jesus, so Congo Square my life, yeah, congo.

Saki Savavi:

Square, sorry. So in Louisiana, no, you're good. So in Louisiana, it was one of the last or last slash only places that did not ban the drums during slavery, right. So like on Sundays, when enslaved folks had the day off, they would go to Congo Square and they would drum their ancestral rhythms. And it's actually made on the indigenous land. This was an epicenter for indigenous people as well, for, like corn crops and stuff it has.

Saki Savavi:

It's a very potent like nerve and it's not typical to go to congo square and folks are still drumming. To go to the igungun tree you're gonna know it when you see it and there's probably like a hell of an offering out there and you might just start crying. And I tell you, when I went to the igungun tree in congo square for three days on some toff shit like from avatar, I had dreams. You know how Toph could see with her feet. I had dreams that were in that color and there were different people that I know, people I didn't know that were waiting at that tree for me for three days after I was in that tree.

Kemi Marie:

I'm literally feeling the energy of everything you're saying and it's like I need to go. Not even on. This is a different type. This ain't no. This ain't not like oh, I want to go to Bali. No, this is like I'm feeling the ancestral call. A lot of things are clicking right now. There's a reason Louisiana has been popping up so strong. I'm my ancestral, my paternal side trying to come through. Come on now.

Saki Savavi:

I think that. So I again geek here. I love knowing people's like bloodlines, ancestral history and all of that because it adds more context to like our connection in this day and also it's fucking cool. You know you can't really get out that foundational context of what your agreements are with this land. So this you go into New Orleans, louisiana, it's going to enrich every fucking thing that you do, bro.

Kemi Marie:

I was going to just Thinking I'm like literally thinking about that, and I I believe that's another reason why even though I tried to go and live in another country.

Kemi Marie:

I needed to come home, and not just to the West Coast. I am now moving to the South, and that's where my ancestors are from the South, Direct my dad's straight he's not even an ancestor yet for like Louisiana and then my mother, that whole side, that whole lineage from Indiana, and there are things to work out here first, not just to work out but to learn and to connect with first, and I think that that's super important for me so that is part one of our astro cartography discussion with saki honestly, so informative, so knowledgeable.

Speaker 2:

Saki is a wonderful human. Make sure to follow them and check out part two of our astro cartography discussion. Next week we'll be diving a little bit deeper into the actual agreements that you may have with the land and just more in depth about getting in touch with the elements and all things astrocartography. So make sure to subscribe, leave a rating and I'll see you next time.